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Old 18-01-2008, 10:41 AM   #1
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School 1960 vs. School 2007

Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.

1960 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up mates.

2007 - Police are called, SWAT team arrives and arrests Johnny and Mark. Mobiles with video of fight confiscated as evidence. They are charged with assault, AVOs are taken out and both are suspended even though Johnny started it. Diversionary conferences and parent meetings conducted. Video shown on 6 internet sites.


Scenario: Jeffrey won't sit still in class, disrupts other students.

1960 - Jeffrey is sent to the principal's office and given a good paddling. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.

2007 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. Counselled to death. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra funding because Jeffrey has a disability. Drops out of school.


Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.


1960 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.

2007 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. Psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison Billy's mum has an affair with the psychologist. Psychologist gets a promotion.


Scenario: Mark, a college student, brings cigarettes to school .

1960 - Mark shares a smoke with the school principal out on the smoking area.

2007 - Police are called and Mark is expelled from School for drug possession. His car is searched for drugs and weapons.


Scenario: Vinh fails high school English.

1960 - Vinh goes to Remedial English, passes and goes to college.

2007 - Vinh's cause is taken up by local human rights group. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that making English a requirement for graduation is racist. Civil Liberties Association files class action lawsuit against state school system and his English teacher. English is banned from core curriculum. Vinh is given his Y10 anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.


Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers, puts them in a model plane paint bottle and blows up an anthill.

1960 - Ants die.

2007 - Security and ASIO are called and Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. Teams investigate parents, siblings are removed from the home, computers are confiscated, and Johnny's dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.


Scenario: Johnny falls during recess and scrapes his knee. His teacher, Mary, finds him crying, and gives him a hug to comfort him.

1960 - Johnny soon feels better and goes back to playing.

2007 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces three years in prison. Johnny undergoes five years of therapy. Becomes gay.
( I think 1960 gets the ☺ from me ! )

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Old 18-01-2008, 10:51 AM   #2
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LOL I've got another one:

1960: Johnny does a burnout in his dads XK Falcon. Local copper gives him a smack across the back of the head.

2007: Jonny does a burnout in his dads BF Falcon. Special Hoon Squad appears with helicopter and tanks and arrests Johnny. Johnny serves time in prison for being a menace to society and his dads car is crushed. All week media has a beat up on hoons and how they are the antichrist. Government changes laws so all cars are limited to 80kays an hour and V8's and Turbos are banned for anybody under 70. Friends of Johnny are given counselling sessions. Harold Scuby is elected Prime Minister.
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Old 18-01-2008, 10:59 AM   #3
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School 1960 vs. School 2007

Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.

1960 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up mates.

2007 - Police are called, SWAT team arrives and arrests Johnny and Mark. Mobiles with video of fight confiscated as evidence. They are charged with assault, AVOs are taken out and both are suspended even though Johnny started it. Diversionary conferences and parent meetings conducted. Video shown on 6 internet sites.


Scenario: Jeffrey won't sit still in class, disrupts other students.

1960 - Jeffrey is sent to the principal's office and given a good paddling. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.

2007 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. Counselled to death. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra funding because Jeffrey has a disability. Drops out of school.


Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.


1960 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.

2007 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. Psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison Billy's mum has an affair with the psychologist. Psychologist gets a promotion.


Scenario: Mark, a college student, brings cigarettes to school .

1960 - Mark shares a smoke with the school principal out on the smoking area.

2007 - Police are called and Mark is expelled from School for drug possession. His car is searched for drugs and weapons.


Scenario: Vinh fails high school English.

1960 - Vinh goes to Remedial English, passes and goes to college.

2007 - Vinh's cause is taken up by local human rights group. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that making English a requirement for graduation is racist. Civil Liberties Association files class action lawsuit against state school system and his English teacher. English is banned from core curriculum. Vinh is given his Y10 anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.


Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers, puts them in a model plane paint bottle and blows up an anthill.

1960 - Ants die.

2007 - Security and ASIO are called and Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. Teams investigate parents, siblings are removed from the home, computers are confiscated, and Johnny's dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.


Scenario: Johnny falls during recess and scrapes his knee. His teacher, Mary, finds him crying, and gives him a hug to comfort him.

1960 - Johnny soon feels better and goes back to playing.

2007 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces three years in prison. Johnny undergoes five years of therapy. Becomes gay.
( I think 1960 gets the ☺ from me ! )
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Old 18-01-2008, 11:19 AM   #4
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Sounds about right to me.
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bring back the cane to fix all those problems. you dont feel like acting like a scallywag when your knuckles or backside have been beaten red raw
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It's so accurate it annoys me
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Scanario: Phill gets bullied for 3 months and finally calls bully a 's h i t h e a d'

1960: Nobody even knows about it except the two kids involved

2007 (1990s actually): Phill is suspended for three days for use of obscene language. bully gets off. Phill and his Dad have to attend a meeting with principal, form master, social worker, and two other councilors before Phill is allowed back in class.

*sidenote: Phill's dad horrifies all eggheads present by turning a 15 minute meeting into almost 45 minutes by giving them a grilling about their lack of a clue and how they are actually giving these kids what they want.....3 days off school.
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Scenario: Craig steps into class and says "Putt putt ding ding curry curry" to an indian teacher

1960s: Craig gets the strap, then sits down and continues to work.

2007: Craig gets sent to Time Out, then has to see the assistant principle, then the principle and appologise to the teacher, have parents called then proceed to get suspended for 10 days

2007: Mission accomplished with 10 days off school.
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Old 18-01-2008, 01:17 PM   #9
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So true.

What a sad world we live in. While there's a lot of good, life was more care free back in the old days (the stories from older folk sound good).
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*sidenote: Phill's dad horrifies all eggheads present by turning a 15 minute meeting into almost 45 minutes by giving them a grilling about their lack of a clue and how they are actually giving these kids what they want.....3 days off school.
Geez, I didn't know you sat in on one of the many meeting I had at the school where my twin sons went -
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That is so close to the truth it's scary.
Personal example:
early 70's, too young to have a drivers license but old enough to own a rifle and regularly go bunny busting out the back of Sofala. (near Bathurst).
One time o mate managed to accidentally shoot me in the leg, still got the scar to prove it. Nothing serious but as the bullet was lodged in the leg needed a trip to hospital. Get to hospital, explain the situation, got bullet removed. Local Bathurst cop attended to take report. When hearing what had happend he simply said "well that'll teach ya to be more careful next time" and left it at that. Nothing more was ever said.
Had the same thing happened today one can only imagine what the consequences would be.
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the sad thing is the kids of the 60s & 70s are now the ones in charge of schools causing all these problems
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What a sad world we live in.
What a sad world we live in, where we must resort to physically abusing our children in order to discipline them.

But, whatever works.
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What a sad world we live in, where we must resort to physically abusing our children in order to discipline them.

But, whatever works.
But back then everything was so much simpler it seems. I'm the new generation that has to put up with the above
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imagine how it will be in 2037 (hope I'm still here to see it)
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imagine how it will be in 2037 (hope I'm still here to see it)
It will be even more farked then today!

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LOL I've got another one:

1960: Johnny does a burnout in his dads XK Falcon. Local copper gives him a smack across the back of the head.

2007: Jonny does a burnout in his dads BF Falcon. Special Hoon Squad appears with helicopter and tanks and arrests Johnny. Johnny serves time in prison for being a menace to society and his dads car is crushed. All week media has a beat up on hoons and how they are the antichrist. Government changes laws so all cars are limited to 80kays an hour and V8's and Turbos are banned for anybody under 70. Friends of Johnny are given counselling sessions. Harold Scuby is elected Prime Minister.
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the sad thing is the kids of the 60s & 70s are now the ones in charge of schools causing all these problems
Yes some of them grew up to be lesbian feminist academics that never had kids themselves and are now dictating what should be done with kids these days according to their distorted view of what society should be like.......this is a generalisation of course.
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Just a bit of an extention to the first one mate.

Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.

1960 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up mates.

2007 - Crowd gathers, Johnny arrives ready for the fight. Mark arrives with about 10 of his mates. Johnny it flogged while Mark watches.

Why cant we just do it like it used to be done in the 60's.
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And being a social worker, with many years of counselling teenagers and families...I earn money and live a happy life....LOL
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1980's - Geez Louise has a bit of a fist a cuff with a girl from Year 8 after school. Top gets ripped off (these 38DD's don't come out for just anyone!)and whole year 10 and 11 applaude a good catfight.

2007 - Same thing only this time gets charged with indecent exposure and assault of a minor...

Bring back the good ole days!!!
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What a sad world we live in, where we must resort to physically abusing our children in order to discipline them.

But, whatever works.
Abuse?

So having one drink of alcohol is ALCOHOL ABUSE?

The world is fubar, the stereo-typical young person is even worse. Just wait 20 years and you'll see how wrong you are.

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Sad but true, I miss the old Australia.
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1980's - Geez Louise has a bit of a fist a cuff with a girl from Year 8 after school. Top gets ripped off (these 38DD's don't come out for just anyone!)and whole year 10 and 11 applaude a good catfight.

2007 - Same thing only this time gets charged with indecent exposure and assault of a minor...

Bring back the good ole days!!!
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year 10 and 11 students catch the whole thing on their mobile phone.
each and everyone of them is arrested and charged with MANUFACTURING CHILD PRON.


the problem with people/kids today is they never got the slap on the ars when they deserved it. plain and simple.
look at the previous generations and how they turned out, now its "cant hit your kids", look what the youth of today has to bring to the table.
anyone that calls it child abuse needs a slap up the side of the head as well for producing little brats that know they can do anything they want with little to no consequences.
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year 10 and 11 students catch the whole thing on their mobile phone.
each and everyone of them is arrested and charged with MANUFACTURING CHILD PRON.


the problem with people/kids today is they never got the slap on the ars when they deserved it. plain and simple.
look at the previous generations and how they turned out, now its "cant hit your kids", look what the youth of today has to bring to the table.
anyone that calls it child abuse needs a slap up the side of the head as well for producing little brats that know they can do anything they want with little to no consequences.
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Dam i wish i was livin in the 60's sometime.....
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Dam i wish i was livin in the 60's sometime.....
I'd rather go the late 70's. Mutton chops and $100 GTHO muscle cars (fuel crisis).

Not to metion when the Japs first decided "hey why don't we build sports bikes with large capacity 4 cylinder engines".
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1980's - Geez Louise has a bit of a fist a cuff with a girl from Year 8 after school. Top gets ripped off (these 38DD's don't come out for just anyone!)and whole year 10 and 11 applaude a good catfight.

2007 - Same thing only this time gets charged with indecent exposure and assault of a minor...

Bring back the good ole days!!!

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