Motor Mag July: XR8 Sprint vs XR6 Sprint vs SSV Redline vs Mustang GT

fgpsi · 08-06-2016, 04:36 PM

0-100

XR8 Sprint 5.26
XR6 Sprint 5.01
SSV Redline 5.19
Mustang GT 5.20

Quarter Mile

XR8 Sprint 13.22
XR6 Sprint 13.12
SSV Redline 13.34
Mustang GT 13.38

Trump · 08-06-2016, 04:42 PM

All four cars are either punching below their weight or the pilot is a bit lacking.

prydey · 08-06-2016, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

All four cars are either punching below their weight or the pilot is a bit lacking.

yes, because cars should be able to perform at peak performance at all times in all conditions shouldn't they??

for the purposes of a comparison, the numbers are accurate, although if you disect the details of the full times (not shown) it does appear the Sprint8 had a slow shift 1st-2nd...

Trump · 08-06-2016, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

yes, because cars should be able to perform at peak performance at all times in all conditions shouldn't they??

I'll grant you that, but even taking wavering conditions into account, it seems as though all four cars had a poor showing.

Is the magazine on the stands yet? It might be the first time I buy a copy of Motor in at least a decade

FG50T · 08-06-2016, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

I'll grant you that, but even taking wavering conditions into account, it seems as though all four cars had a poor showing.

Is the magazine on the stands yet? It might be the first time I buy a copy of Motor in at least a decade

Not really. The VF ran what it would run on a Friday night at Calder Park with a decent driver. The Ford's runs were botched.

Trump · 08-06-2016, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FG50T

Not really. The VF ran what it would run on a Friday night at Calder Park with a decent driver. The Ford's runs were botched.

And how were they "botched"?

fgpsi · 08-06-2016, 04:47 PM

Why cant they get a 12 out of the sprints ? Didn't they get 12.8 in the regular fgx xr8?

joke

adz137 · 09-06-2016, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by fgpsi

Why cant they get a 12 out of the sprints ? Didn't they get 12.8 in the regular fgx xr8?

joke

Yep, Motor got a 12 out of the regular AUTO XR8 twice, once by taking off in second gear. Pretty sure both times they also recorded a 4.8 sec 0 to 100 time.

F6RCD · 08-06-2016, 04:51 PM

The SSV Redline went well against the sprints. Aren't they 300+rwkw compared to the LS3's ~230rwkw?

mick74GT · 08-06-2016, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by F6RCD

The SSV Redline went well against the sprints. Aren't they 300+rwkw compared to the LS3's ~230rwkw?

An Ls3 is more like 250rwkw -260rwkw standard, well mine was in that range can't remember the exact number.

Patty · 08-06-2016, 06:17 PM

Don't get me wrong, I love the Sprints. But I just wish they had done a bit more visually to make them look that bit more aggressive.

I wonder if anyone has put a GTF and an XR8 Sprint together in a race...

Sabantien · 08-06-2016, 06:56 PM

There's this video of the 6, 8 and HSV GTS out now too.
Not terribly fast times here either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVEjA_HfKJU

arronm · 08-06-2016, 10:34 PM

The journos that drag the cars have at least some experience.

If they cant get the cars off the line the average punter has no chance.

kazawaki · 08-06-2016, 11:14 PM

Those times are crap,My motorcycle does 0-100 in just under 3 seconds and costs way less but I still get hopefuls in cars trying to take it on and I just shake my head and laugh in my helmet.

fgpsi · 09-06-2016, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kazawaki

Those times are crap,My motorcycle does 0-100 in just under 3 seconds and costs way less but I still get hopefuls in cars trying to take it on and I just shake my head and laugh in my helmet.

i would beat u on my moped

Express · 09-06-2016, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by kazawaki

Those times are crap,My motorcycle does 0-100 in just under 3 seconds and costs way less but I still get hopefuls in cars trying to take it on and I just shake my head and laugh in my helmet.

Most drivers wouldn’t give a rats how fast a motorbike is in comparison to a heavy sedan.

To them you may win the race but you’d rarely win the war.

JC · 09-06-2016, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kazawaki

Those times are crap,My motorcycle does 0-100 in just under 3 seconds and costs way less but I still get hopefuls in cars trying to take it on and I just shake my head and laugh in my helmet.

Really? Have you actually done it and timed it? Or is that just what a journo got?

I'd give you a go at the lights any time - just to give you a shock! I have cracked heaps of bikes off the lights and they end up zinging past (at way over posted speed limit) to try to prove a point - one guy tried 2 sets of lights in a row but got done both times (to 80) and ended up giving me a thumbs up as he roared off into the distance.

kazawaki · 10-06-2016, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

Really? Have you actually done it and timed it? Or is that just what a journo got?

I'd give you a go at the lights any time - just to give you a shock! I have cracked heaps of bikes off the lights and they end up zinging past (at way over posted speed limit) to try to prove a point - one guy tried 2 sets of lights in a row but got done both times (to 80) and ended up giving me a thumbs up as he roared off into the distance.

Mate do some googling Kawasaki Ninja H2 1000 cc supercharged.They are the fastest motorcycle available.

4vxc · 10-06-2016, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kazawaki

Mate do some googling Kawasaki Ninja H2 1000 cc supercharged.They are the fastest motorcycle available.

you have a H2?

JC · 10-06-2016, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kazawaki

Mate do some googling Kawasaki Ninja H2 1000 cc supercharged.They are the fastest motorcycle available.

Yes, I know they are. But have YOU actually done that? ie, have you been able to hang on while accelerating that fast? This thread is about ACTUAL, not claimed performance.

stazza · 08-06-2016, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by arronm

The journos that drag the cars have at least some experience.

If they cant get the cars off the line the average punter has no chance.

Pffft. A journo from a car mag has about as much credibility to me as a **** talking journo on the 6 o'clock news.

Sabantien · 09-06-2016, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by stazza

Pffft. A journo from a car mag has about as much credibility to me as a **** talking journo on the 6 o'clock news.

Given I've seen so many of their videos where the journo is wearing a Holden/HSV tshirt while doing the tests, makes you wonder.

Not to mention the number of cliches they dribble out, you could almost predict exactly what any article is going to say before it's written, and without ever seeing the car in person. I sometimes wonder if they have.

mick74GT · 09-06-2016, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabantien

Given I've seen so many of their videos where the journo is wearing a Holden/HSV tshirt while doing the tests, makes you wonder.

Not to mention the number of cliches they dribble out, you could almost predict exactly what any article is going to say before it's written, and without ever seeing the car in person. I sometimes wonder if they have.

I agree that the times they have managed to produce here certainly are not the best but the conspiracy theory talk time and again I think is a bit far fetched..

We've seen countless comparisons like this from various testers, journos, and publications and the results always seem similar. Maybe the articles all read similar for a reason? I can't see how they could have made this latest test any more controlled?

I just can't believe that there would actually be such a conspiracy out there to discredit a brand or vehicle especially knowing this is the last hurrah anyway. There wouldn't be a point

mik · 12-06-2016, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by arronm

The journos that drag the cars have at least some experience.

If they cant get the cars off the line the average punter has no chance.

i dont think experience always comes into it , skill is what comes into it , i have seen uncoordinated blokes driving trucks for 30 odd years that still cant change gears properly to this day .

toohey myster · 12-06-2016, 07:46 PM

Got to love the cover fast fords tackle stonking redline ls3 surely they jest. Interesting to see the times from the mustang, motor have run the mustang vs the redline on a couple of occasions and the redline ran a long last now its faster.

arronm · 12-06-2016, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mik

i dont think experience always comes into it , skill is what comes into it , i have seen uncoordinated blokes driving trucks for 30 odd years that still cant change gears properly to this day .

Skill comes from experience. Usually the more you do something the better you become at it. It takes along time to learn to be able to drive or ride fast well. Most people think they can, but it's the first split second decision that seperates the two

mik · 19-06-2016, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by arronm

Skill comes from experience. Usually the more you do something the better you become at it. It takes along time to learn to be able to drive or ride fast well. Most people think they can, but it's the first split second decision that seperates the two

true up to a point, but not always , if you look at figures supplied over the years on various well known cars by some of these highly skilled car journo`s , often they seem all over the place .

mcnews · 12-06-2016, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mik

i dont think experience always comes into it , skill is what comes into it , i have seen uncoordinated blokes driving trucks for 30 odd years that still cant change gears properly to this day .

I know a few of the car journos, as I am a bike journo. And I can tell you any of those guys with the experience they have are probably in the top 1 percentile of driver skill, and of course when it comes to experience, well it is even more exclusive.

If any of you blokes think these guys are hopeless then get your hand off it.

I have done a few FPV drive days (the occasion when I myself bought my 3 new FPVs) when new FPV owners hit the track for the first time, and to be honest the skill level is borderline frightening. I am generally agog at how crap most of the buyers of our cars are at driving.

So sorry, when I see, the abuse car journos get from people that have NFI, I say question yourself first. I reckon the worst car journo in existence would run rings around 99 per cent of the people on this forum, in any test, on any track, in any conditions. Well from what I have seen from FPV drive days that's my two cents.

castellan · 13-06-2016, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mcnews

I know a few of the car journos, as I am a bike journo. And I can tell you any of those guys with the experience they have are probably in the top 1 percentile of driver skill, and of course when it comes to experience, well it is even more exclusive.

If any of you blokes think these guys are hopeless then get your hand off it.

I have done a few FPV drive days (the occasion when I myself bought my 3 new FPVs) when new FPV owners hit the track for the first time, and to be honest the skill level is borderline frightening. I am generally agog at how crap most of the buyers of our cars are at driving.

So sorry, when I see, the abuse car journos get from people that have NFI, I say question yourself first. I reckon the worst car journo in existence would run rings around 99 per cent of the people on this forum, in any test, on any track, in any conditions. Well from what I have seen from FPV drive days that's my two cents.

I would say you are correct as I have seen them people on such drive days and was totally shocked at how lacking there skill was. (just totally hopeless)

I my self and a few mates I know do bag the hell out of some of the crap we have read or seen on TV and we have a big laugh about such trash or get very angered over such crap.

Sure a test maybe aimed at attracting a type of audience who have bugger all interest truly in cars at all.

I my self like to know everything completely and sure most people are not that interested in looking into such as I am, I may be some what like Lt Columbo was once accused of in the story of candidate for crime, I'd even look for faults in the old Testament.

But that's how it goes when your into such investergation of things, it's every detail must be accounted for and sure that does bug some people.

mik · 19-06-2016, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mcnews

I know a few of the car journos, as I am a bike journo. And I can tell you any of those guys with the experience they have are probably in the top 1 percentile of driver skill, and of course when it comes to experience, well it is even more exclusive.

If any of you blokes think these guys are hopeless then get your hand off it.

I have done a few FPV drive days (the occasion when I myself bought my 3 new FPVs) when new FPV owners hit the track for the first time, and to be honest the skill level is borderline frightening. I am generally agog at how crap most of the buyers of our cars are at driving.

So sorry, when I see, the abuse car journos get from people that have NFI, I say question yourself first. I reckon the worst car journo in existence would run rings around 99 per cent of the people on this forum, in any test, on any track, in any conditions. Well from what I have seen from FPV drive days that's my two cents.

No doubt there will be some very good and some not so good regardless of experience , when you look at the performance figures of these cars over the years , at times you have to wonder what the hell is going on ,
why is it a stocker non turbo 200 kw xr6 can get down the quarter in high to mid 14`s and a super charged v8 they have trouble getting into low 13`s in a car that has a huge advantage in torque and power and when its all said and done is only a little bit heavier when power to weight is taken into consideration.
plenty of owners seem to manage to get stockers down the strip in better times , and this isnt just a one off , its been more the trend it seems .