Children

Bucknaked · 06-06-2007, 07:21 PM

I remember my parents telling me not to do stuff, because I'll only regret it when something happens. And it will happen. We all know how true this is. I wonder whether my children will learn this lesson as well. Not sure how many times I've told my boy not to run on the concrete with his school bag on his back, as he might fall over. Yesterday, my warning came true, and Connor went for a sixer on the school yard playground. Nothing broken, but plenty of pain and just a little crying. I guess it may not have been so bad if he had used his hands to stop instead of his face. Only damage is on the face. Nothing else was grazed.

Anyway, he's a trooper and he's full of courage once again.

Melz · 06-06-2007, 07:23 PM

Ouch!! He won't be doing that again in a hurry!

Casper · 06-06-2007, 07:24 PM

lol, must be that time of the year. Youngest son chose my repeated warnings to get off the deck where the outside spa is (fence being repaired, spa was and still empty) as I didnt want him to slip and fall.
Come Saturday he did just that.. straight into the empty spa. Its deep.. and no water to slow his decent. 5 stitches to the head later.............

Children. What the hell were we thinking?

Scott · 06-06-2007, 07:26 PM

edit: That pic made me pucker.

Whitey-AMG · 06-06-2007, 07:29 PM

Yowch........

Next time tell him to wear the bag on his front so it will break his fall..........

Glad to hear he's OK.

**Polyal** · 06-06-2007, 07:32 PM

Nasty! Blinking is going to be unusual for a while..LOL

XCSEDAN · 06-06-2007, 07:40 PM

i would have been screaming if i was your kid bucknaked!!!
that looks like it would have hurt... like hell to tell you the truth (brings back memories

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Bucknaked · 06-06-2007, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

lol, must be that time of the year. Youngest son chose my repeated warnings to get off the deck where the outside spa is (fence being repaired, spa was and still empty) as I didnt want him to slip and fall.
Come Saturday he did just that.. straight into the empty spa. Its deep.. and no water to slow his decent. 5 stitches to the head later.............

Children. What the hell were we thinking?

I think it is.

Wow. That is nasty. What a beauty. That is gonna hurt for sometime. Bet he's feeling it now.

gtfpv · 06-06-2007, 07:53 PM

it must be boys . i've had mine in hospital getting stitches twice . came off pushbike twice / no helmut. dont know whats worse . seeing your sons chin split open; ( fainting stuff) , or the look the hospital staff give you. glad they are ok. if you think abvout it though , you'd be a little more shocked if your daughter had face injuries like that . but the boys will be looked up to at school.

Casper · 06-06-2007, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucknaked

I think it is.

Wow. That is nasty. What a beauty. That is gonna hurt for sometime. Bet he's feeling it now.

I think gravel rash will hurt more to be honest.. it looks damn painful.

Yellow_Festiva · 06-06-2007, 08:06 PM

I see this sorta stuff every now and again at school.

Had a nasty incident at school just last week, I was on duty when a 8 year old playing basket ball decided to slam his forehead into the corner of the brick building.

Lovely gash square in the middle of the noggin that spurted blood like a water pistol. A bunch of kids run to get me saying "such and such is bleeding from his head!"

Run across, there is the little trooper, leaning over crying while his face was soaked, as well as his glasses, as well as his hat and the puddle that was on the floor.

Press on the leak with my hand and make for the office real fast.... Poor chap.

Clean myself up, do my best with my clothing and go back to class.

See him the next day grinning and running round like nothing happened. He told me the doctors used "super glue" to close the gash (which could have been true seeing as there was a nice long scab but no stitches).

By the time I have my own kids i'll brobably be immune to seeing these sorta injuries.

Casper · 06-06-2007, 08:10 PM

Superglue was invented to replace stitches in field combat scenarios... seriously.
They were going to do my son that way too but didnt have any in stock so used the good old stitches.

robjh80 · 06-06-2007, 08:13 PM

Both look very nasty, hope they recover quickly and more importantly......"have learnt something from the experience."

I work in the Royal Children's Hospital up here in Brisbane and see kids coming in all the time with similar injuries from just mucking around, not doing what their parents keep telling them to do and unfortunately not seeing the danger right there in front of them such as young Connor running on the concrete........."it's all part of them growing up I suppose."

gtfpv · 06-06-2007, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

I see this sorta stuff every now and again at school.

He told me the doctors used "super glue" to close the gash (which could have been true seeing as there was a nice long scab but no stitches).

my sons was superglued worked well.

By the time I have my own kids i'll brobably be immune to seeing these sorta injuries.

no........ you'll be fainting like the rest of us .

Jason[98.EL] · 06-06-2007, 08:36 PM

i have been to scared to take pics of my kids and thier oop's now i am thinking the next time it happens its not so bad lol

MotherNatureVer2 · 06-06-2007, 08:38 PM

Welcome to the world of parenting ;)

It does get worse Im afraid to say ....... they turn 15-16 & think you really dont know what your on about ............ then they move out & trust me the worry is worse than a graze ;)

Guys ..... I hope your little fellas heal quickly & might one day remember your words as they tell them to their kids :P

Scott · 06-06-2007, 09:30 PM

Casper Jr will love that scar later in life, chicks dig scars

XCSEDAN · 06-06-2007, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Superglue was invented to replace stitches in field combat scenarios... seriously.
They were going to do my son that way too but didnt have any in stock so used the good old stitches.

chicks dig scars.... itl come in handy when he hits his teen years!

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XCSEDAN · 06-06-2007, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GTP006

Casper Jr will love that scar later in life, chicks dig scars

dammit! you beat me to it!!!

GK · 06-06-2007, 10:52 PM

Hi,

I thought this might make interesting reading considering Casper's statement about superglue.

Cheers,

GK

Can We Really Use Super Glue Instead of Suture?

The Real Scoop on the Use of Tissue Adhesive for Wound Closure
From: AFryeMidwf@aol.com (Anne Frye)
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For several years there has been increasing interest in the midwifery community regarding the use of commonly available "Super Glue" types of adhesives for wound closure. Midwives who have done a little research have found that the cyanoacrylate glue (Super Glue) sold over-the-counter and medical cyanoacrylate glues are apparently identical in composition and rumored to the be same as the tissue adhesive used extensively during the Vietnam War. Some midwives have even used over-the-counter Super Glue (Krazy Glue) successfully in lieu of suture to close the perineum.

In readying in the 5th edition of Healing Passage: A Midwife's Guide to the Care and Repair of the Tissues Involved in Birth, I felt it was important to address this issue. This article offers an expanded version of the information you will also find in the new edition.

History and development:

In 1959, a variety of cyanoacrylate adhesives were developed, some types of which are now used for surgical purposes in Canada and Europe. These glues polymerize on contact with basic substances such as water or blood to form a strong bond. The first glue developed was methyl cyanoacrylate, which was studied extensively for its potential medical applications and was rejected due to its potential tissue toxicity such as inflammation or local foreign body reactions. Methyl alcohol has a short molecular chain which contributes to these complications.

Further research revealed that by changing the type of alcohol in the compound to one with a longer molecular chain, the tissue toxicity was much reduced. All the medical grade tissue adhesives currently available for human use contain butyl-esters, which are costlier to produce.

In 1964, the Tennessee Eastman lab submitted its first application for new drug approval to the FDA. The military learned of this new glue and became extremely interested in its potential for use in field hospitals. MASH units in Vietnam were overloaded. Many solders were dying from chest and abdominal wounds, despite the best efforts of medics. In 1966 a special surgical team was flown to Vietnam, trained and equipped to use cyanoacrylate adhesive. A quick spray over the wounds stopped bleeding and bought time until conventional surgery could be performed. The possibilities were immediately seized by the medical communities of Europe and the Far East. Meanwhile the FDA changed standards and kept requesting additional data until Eastman was reluctantly forced to withdraw his application. (Jueneman, 1981)

Histoacryl Blue (n-butyl cyanoacrylate) has been used extensively in Europe since the 1970s for a variety of surgical applications including middle ear surgery, bone and cartilage grafts, repair of cerebrospinal fluid leaks, and skin closure. It has been available in Canada through Davis & Geck Canada, with no adverse effects reported to date. Further, laboratory studies have been done which concluded that it has no carcinogenic potential. Tissue toxicity has only been noted when the adhesive is introduced deep in highly vascular areas (the perineum qualifies). While I always take claims of harmlessness with a grain of salt, if used as directed, these adhesives appear to be basically safe.

(Quinn & Kissick, 1994) Current use: Although not labeled as such, over-the-counter Super Glue products contain methyl alcohol, because it is inexpensive to produce. Cyanoacrylates cure by a chemical reaction called polymerization, which produces heat. Methyl alcohol has a pronounced heating action when it contacts tissue and may even produce burns if the glue contacts a large enough area of tissue. Rapid curing may also lead to tissue necrosis. Midwives have not noted such reactions because minimal amounts are being used for perineal repair. Nevertheless, with a greater toxic potential, over-the-counter products are inappropriate for use in wound closure. (Quinn & Kissick, 1994)

Medical grade products currently available contain either butyl, isobutyl or octyl esters. They are bacteriostatic and painless to apply when used as directed, produce minimal thermal reaction when applied to dry skin and break down harmlessly in tissue. They are essentially inert once dry. Butyl products are rigid when dry, but provide a strong bond. Available octyl products are more flexible when dry, but produce a weaker bond.

When used for repair, ideally the wound to be closed is fresh, clean, fairly shallow, with straight edges that lie together on their own. The glue is applied to bridge over the closed edges; it should not be used within the wound (on raw surfaces), where it will impair epithelization. The only currently FDA approved adhesives suitable for use as suture alternatives are veterinary products; n-butyl- cyanoacrylate tissue adhesives Vetbond (3M) and Nexaband liquid and octyl-based Nexaband S/C (intended for topical skin closure when deep sutures have been placed). Histoacryl Blue (butyl based) (Davis & Geck) and Tissu-Glu (isobutyl based) (Medi-West Pharmaceuticals) are sold in Canada for human use. DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide) or acetone serve as removers. (Helmstetter, 1995; Quinn & Kissick, 1994)

How to use tissue adhesive:

Although not specifically recommended for perineal repair, tissue adhesive has been successfully used by some midwives. However, Hisotcryl Blue was used in place of interrupted or subcuticular stitches in a small study of the closure of the superficial layer in mediolaterial clitorotomy (episiotomy). (Adoni & Anteby) In this study, the yoni (vaginal) mucosa and subcutaneous layers were closed with conventional suture techniques. It might be a good alternative to offer when women refuse conventional sutures. Tissue adhesive works best when the wound is moderately shallow. Midwives report that extremely shallow wounds tend to pull apart as healing occurs and usually require no closure of any kind. The wound should also have no pockets to collect lochia and should not require other sutures. However, as the study mentioned above demonstrates, it can also be used instead of subcuticular sutures after placing basting stitches.

Tissue glue is only applied to outside surfaces to bridge over edges; do not apply it directly to raw surfaces. The wound edges should be straight and lie together naturally. Insert a tampon, then clean and dry the skin thoroughly. Have your assistant stabilize the wound edges from top to bottom (be sure the edges are matched correctly). Insert your finger between the edges and pull it out to bring them forward slightly. This is to ensure that the wound edges are not rolled inward toward each other, but meet perfectly. It could also be accomplished with a tissue forceps. Hold gauze against the area immediately below the apex to catch and drips as you apply the glue. Apply tiny dots of glue sparingly at intervals where the wound edges meet. Or, apply a bead of tiny droplets to bridge the edges. (Thick applications do not enhance bonding and tend to crack and loosen prematurely.) Products dyed blue are easier to see. (If using Histoacryl Blue, attach a 27 g. syringe needle to the ampoule hub to help control application.

After use, the needle should be discarded and replaced with a new needle that does not have glue within its lumen.) Be careful to apply the glue on where it is needed; glue removers should not the used in the genital area. As long as no part of the tube tip or the attached needle contacts the tissue or bodily fluids, the tube can be reused.

Use a hair dryer or fan the area dry, which takes about 30 seconds. Adhesive will stiffen when dry. Women should observe the same precautions as those who have refused sutures entirely. Bathing is not contraindicated but prolonged soaking should be avoided. Expect the adhesive to flake off in 3 to 7 days. Allergic reactions are very rare, but may include inflammation and swelling.

References

(Various midwives 1993-95)

Adoni, A., & Anteby, E., "The Use of Histoacryl for Episiotomy Repair," Br. J. of Ob Gyn, Vol. 98, May 1991, pp. 476-8. Heimstetter, G., personal communciation, Permabond Internat. Bridgewater, NJ, 1995.

Jueneman, F, "Stick it to um," Industrial Research & Dev. Aug. 1981, p. 19.

Quinn, J., & Kissack, J., "Tissue Adhesives for Laceration Repair During Sporting Events," Clinical J. of Sports Med., Vol. 4 No. 4, 1994, p. 245.

Sources of tissue adhesives:

Animal Care Products, 3M Health Care, 3M Center Building 225 1N 07, St. Paul, MN 55144-1000, (612) 733-8477. 3M produces Vetbond Tissue Adhesive.

Veterinary Products Laboratory (800) 548- 2828 distributes Nexaband products which are manufactured by Tri-Point in Raleigh, NC (919) 790-1041. These products are restricted items sold and approved for veterinary use only.

Davis & Geck-CANADA (905) 470-3647 distributes Histoacryl Blue, which is manufactured in Germany by B. Braun.

Medi-West Pharmaceuticals markets Tissu-Glu.

**FTE217** · 06-06-2007, 11:06 PM

Ah they never listen imo lol.....
Bucky I could imagine the tears knowing Conner but could you blame him, poor little fella ! Take a pic next week and call him Krusty Demon hehe
Casper another beauty with your lad,ooo painful !
Watched my eldest son 2yrs back cut his leg open jumping over a rock but damn slipped and opened up his leg, he was white in fear but even worse once he knew they were jabbing needles in the wound to anasstease it !!!!! Man he went off but then he learnt what gas could do,heavon lol.....
All the best to both but I'm sure Mum's bosum is close by lol....

XRchic · 06-06-2007, 11:39 PM

Hahahaha the poor boys! I hope they are ok! Its not just boys though, my daughter fell off her bike riding home from school and went knee first into the gravel before flipping down the embankment with the bike landing on her....

She picked herself up, walked her bike about 1km to home, and then calmly rang me at work to tell me she "hurt her knee".... I got a bit of a shock when I got home!!!

She is pretty tough.

Then there is Cam who ended up with the steel edge of the handlebars going through the front of his mouth and up the front of his gums, shredding his mouth...got back from the hospital after being checked out, and got straight back on his bike.

Then there is the 3 times Cam has had teeth kicked out playing footy at lunch time at school and thrown wobblies at me for coming to take him home!

And Toby is only one, and is showing the same feral signs as the other two... he is just a big bull, rams his head into everything and just barges through people, objects and doesnt care.

Hmmmmm kids.

[Tonko] · 07-06-2007, 12:02 AM

Ahh, reminds me of primary school, in grade 5 i was running around (probably the last time i actually ran aswell) without a care in the world, playing chasey, when my mate ran up next to me, then BANG! straight into the wooden sleeper style benches, only hit his right leg, but hard enough to break right through.... that was messy...

King Nothing · 07-06-2007, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TonkoXR8

Ahh, reminds me of primary school, in grade 5 i was running around (probably the last time i actually ran aswell) without a care in the world, playing chasey, when my mate ran up next to me, then BANG! straight into the wooden sleeper style benches, only hit his right leg, but hard enough to break right through.... that was messy...

That reminds me of a game we used to play in primary school. We had a set of old school steel monkey bars, everyone would sit up on top while people tried to pull them down.

There was also a set of steel parallel bars next to the monkey bars. If you managed to get off of the monkey bars and run to the parallel bars without being caught, you were safe.

One day a kid decided to take the shortest route. Jumped from the top of the monkey bars and tried to land between the parallel bars. He didn't quite make it, hit his leg on one of the parallel bars mid-flight and made a clean break.

We weren't allowed to play that game anymore!

FRDGAL · 07-06-2007, 12:50 AM

No pics from me, just stories. This happened a few years back when we lived in Nth Dandy. My daughter and all her friends in the street would always walk along the top of the neighbours low brick fence (it was her best friends' house) It was a habit that her and the kids all had and I was always telling them all that one day ....... Well, that day came. My daughter slipped and bashed her skull on the bricks. 21 stitches later lol. The amount of blood that pours from a head injury is shocking. Never want to see that again

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None of them ever walked on the top of that brick fence again. From then on, they sat on it and dangled their feet.

Then there's my son. When we lived in Rosebud, we often went to Clayton to stay at my ex in-law's house for a weekend. One night, we got there, unpacked a few things and I unfolded the sofa bed but it wouldn't open fully. I could not get the end of the bed to open down flat. I was jumping on it and trying to push it down but it wouldn't budge. Then, in the corner of my eye I saw my son. His face was pale. He was as white as a ghost! I looked and realised that his finger was caught in the bars under the edge of the bed. He'd gone into shock which is why he made no sound! I lifted the bed and we rushed him to Monash Medical. (which was only 2 minutes from the house) They stitched his finger and bits back into place. He was 5 when this happened. He's now about to turn 17 and still has the scars.

Krissy.

Zed7fiddy · 07-06-2007, 04:47 AM

I still remeber the day where all day long mum and dad told me not to play on the boat trailer. what did i do

still got the scar to proove it...

Its the only way to learn!

Bucknaked · 07-06-2007, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Casper

I think gravel rash will hurt more to be honest.. it looks damn painful.

I think it would have hurt like nothing he's ever felt before. A huge shock to his system. I would say it took him maybe a day to get over. He seems all cool now. Back doing what he does best. It's good to have battle scars, but I really would have preferred that it was not his face.

pb02 · 07-06-2007, 08:21 AM

You mean you guys all grew out of that stage????

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I'm 28 and still doing that sort of thing to myself!! :togo:

Angry Beaver · 07-06-2007, 08:56 AM

Bucky they never learn. Kids have a memory like a goldfish when it comes to things like that. My older brother decided to gravel rash his face a lot worse then that by crashing his push bike into a deep dug out drain on his way to school. His whole side of his face was one big mess from forehead down his nose to his chin and then to his ear. Luckly he didnt end up with scarring so maybe connor will be lucky. Daytons is healing and he is annoyed now by the stitches and keeps trying to pluck them out.

gtfpv · 07-06-2007, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucknaked

I remember my parents telling me not to do stuff, because I'll only regret it when something happens. And it will happen. We all know how true this is. I wonder whether my children will learn this lesson as well. Not sure how many times I've told my boy not to run on the concrete with his school bag on his back, as he might fall over. Yesterday, my warning came true, and Connor went for a sixer on the school yard playground. Nothing broken, but plenty of pain and just a little crying. I guess it may not have been so bad if he had used his hands to stop instead of his face. Only damage is on the face. Nothing else was grazed.

Anyway, he's a trooper and he's full of courage once again.

dont worry he wont get a single scar from that. . even your son , (casper) will likely heal well. skin under 10 has a remarkable healing rate, as if programmed for repair at an upper level compared to over 10years .