Welcome to the Australian Ford Forums forum.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and inserts advertising. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features without post based advertising banners. Registration is simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Please Note: All new registrations go through a manual approval queue to keep spammers out. This is checked twice each day so there will be a delay before your registration is activated.

Go Back   Australian Ford Forums > General Topics > Non Ford Related Community Forums > The Bar

The Bar For non Automotive Related Chat

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 16-07-2015, 10:49 AM   #1
poppa smurf
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
poppa smurf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: outback S.A...hiding in a workshop
Posts: 3,513
Default murder charge for deliberate head on

what is wrong with the world today........why are our young and feeble minded so reckless and stupid.

what would drive a feller to do this not once but on numerous occasions.

http://www.whyallanewsonline.com.au/...uble-fatality/

we struck exactly this scenario around murray bridge a while back and again north of clare, now I wonder if this is some sort of "new" boredom breaker for our halfwit latest generation.
__________________
---------------------------------------------------------------

G'day....I'm Dave, ...everyone calls me Poppa,..05.. B.A. Fairmont mark II...

may your day's be filled with smiles, your life be filled with love, may your children know nothing but happiness and joy, cherish the memory of those who strove before us for they cleared the way, spare a thought for those who serve we owe so much to so many, life and the freedom to enjoy it is a special gift that can be taken away far too soon!
poppa smurf is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 16-07-2015, 11:08 AM   #2
vztrt
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
 
vztrt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: vztrt is one of the most consistent and respected contributors to AFF, I have found his contributions are most useful to discussion as well as answering members queries. 
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

The guy charged is 36 years old. Its not exactly young and feeble minded.

Depression could be a reason, drugs, mental illness.

Mind you this isn't the worst incident I've seen this week:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/c...-cake-32435999
__________________
Daniel
vztrt is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 16-07-2015, 11:09 AM   #3
LG17
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
LG17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Taromeo
Posts: 10,589
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

I really can't fathom what goes through their minds or even their thought processes.
LG17 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 16-07-2015, 11:11 AM   #4
LG17
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
LG17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Taromeo
Posts: 10,589
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

Quote:
Originally Posted by vztrt View Post
The guy charged is 36 years old. Its not exactly young and feeble minded.

Depression could be a reason, drugs, mental illness.

Mind you this isn't the worst incident I've seen this week:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/c...-cake-32435999
Yeah but that's in good ol America and we know their collective brains are deficient - with apologies to those few who are fine.
LG17 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 16-07-2015, 11:33 AM   #5
poppa smurf
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
poppa smurf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: outback S.A...hiding in a workshop
Posts: 3,513
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

Quote:
Originally Posted by vztrt View Post
The guy charged is 36 years old. Its not exactly young and feeble minded.

Depression could be a reason, drugs, mental illness.

Mind you this isn't the worst incident I've seen this week:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/c...-cake-32435999

yes there always seems to be an excuse and people to back them up to give these dimwitted fools a get out of a heavy sentence charge.

to me, 36 is young and he is definitely feeble minded if he thinks driving into oncoming traffic is the right thing to do just to get his jollies for the day.

I live with depression, I wouldn't dream of doing that, drugs are a self inflicted disability that I don't go along with, no excuse to deliberately commit harm, drugs are a lifestyle choice,

I have a disabled son who wouldn't dream of doing that stupid nonsense.

hope they throw the book at him.
__________________
---------------------------------------------------------------

G'day....I'm Dave, ...everyone calls me Poppa,..05.. B.A. Fairmont mark II...

may your day's be filled with smiles, your life be filled with love, may your children know nothing but happiness and joy, cherish the memory of those who strove before us for they cleared the way, spare a thought for those who serve we owe so much to so many, life and the freedom to enjoy it is a special gift that can be taken away far too soon!
poppa smurf is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 16-07-2015, 11:39 AM   #6
Yellow_Festiva
Where to next??
 
Yellow_Festiva's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Sydney
Posts: 8,893
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

Quote:
Originally Posted by vztrt View Post
The guy charged is 36 years old. Its not exactly young and feeble minded.

Depression could be a reason, drugs, mental illness.

Mind you this isn't the worst incident I've seen this week:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/c...-cake-32435999
What a disgustingly sad way to go. What the he'll is wrong with people? If someone did that to them would they understand that it's wrong I wonder?

These filthy grubs deserve to be put into the toughest jail to allow justice to take its course.. slowly I hope.
__________________
___________________________

I've been around the world a couple of times or maybe more.......
Yellow_Festiva is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 16-07-2015, 11:40 AM   #7
DBourne
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
DBourne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: sydney.nsw.au
Posts: 6,119
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

Should be charged with being a dildo too.
__________________
flickr
DBourne is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 16-07-2015, 11:58 AM   #8
poppa smurf
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
poppa smurf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: outback S.A...hiding in a workshop
Posts: 3,513
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

don't have to go to yankee land to see non-sensical infanticide, violence against children is happening here in good ole Astraylya everyday, poor little chloe, for one, can't seem to get any rest.

the "system" knew of her predicament for years but did nothing, no-one is to lose their position in the aftermath.
__________________
---------------------------------------------------------------

G'day....I'm Dave, ...everyone calls me Poppa,..05.. B.A. Fairmont mark II...

may your day's be filled with smiles, your life be filled with love, may your children know nothing but happiness and joy, cherish the memory of those who strove before us for they cleared the way, spare a thought for those who serve we owe so much to so many, life and the freedom to enjoy it is a special gift that can be taken away far too soon!
poppa smurf is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 16-07-2015, 11:59 AM   #9
vztrt
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
 
vztrt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: vztrt is one of the most consistent and respected contributors to AFF, I have found his contributions are most useful to discussion as well as answering members queries. 
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

Quote:
Originally Posted by poppa smurf View Post
to me, 36 is young and he is definitely feeble minded if he thinks driving into oncoming traffic is the right thing to do just to get his jollies for the day.
Seriously at 36 if you haven't got your ****** together then you never will. 36 is not young like someone under 25 which doing this to get their jollies off would be more likely because the brain hasn't fully matured.
__________________
Daniel
vztrt is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 16-07-2015, 12:14 PM   #10
poppa smurf
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
poppa smurf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: outback S.A...hiding in a workshop
Posts: 3,513
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

plenty of folks here that are over 35 and still infantile.......we have a couple of families, with young kids renting in our street that are well over that age.

drugs, alcohol, loud music, burnouts, handouts from the dole is the way they CHOOSE to live.

police visit on a regular basis.

age is not a required factor in determining maturity.

but to go out and deliberately kill two innocent young motorists simply because of boredom.......what the hell is going on.
__________________
---------------------------------------------------------------

G'day....I'm Dave, ...everyone calls me Poppa,..05.. B.A. Fairmont mark II...

may your day's be filled with smiles, your life be filled with love, may your children know nothing but happiness and joy, cherish the memory of those who strove before us for they cleared the way, spare a thought for those who serve we owe so much to so many, life and the freedom to enjoy it is a special gift that can be taken away far too soon!
poppa smurf is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 16-07-2015, 12:51 PM   #11
Tonz
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Pt Lincoln far side South Oz
Posts: 5,878
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

personally knowing one of the involved, he was quoted when the police arrived..." *******, cant even kill myself successfully"

Its a shame because now his family have to survive with him locked up and we pay for his hotel accomodation for the rest of his journey.
__________________
Dont p i s s off older people. At our age the term Life in Prison is not a deterrent
Tonz is online now   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
3 users like this post:
Old 16-07-2015, 01:07 PM   #12
GasoLane
Former BTIKD
Donating Member2
 
GasoLane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Sunny Downtown Wagga Wagga. NSW.
Posts: 53,197
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

Not much I the way of background details in the Newspaper report, could it have have been an attempted suicide?

Had one try that on me in the Truck once..............he succeeded.

Edit..........just saw the above post.

(memo to self...real ALL posts properly before posting!)
__________________
Dying at your job is natures way of saying that you're in the wrong line of work.
GasoLane is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 16-07-2015, 01:19 PM   #13
vztrt
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
 
vztrt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: vztrt is one of the most consistent and respected contributors to AFF, I have found his contributions are most useful to discussion as well as answering members queries. 
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonz View Post
personally knowing one of the involved, he was quoted when the police arrived..." *******, cant even kill myself successfully"
Well that would start making sense. The news article was crap.

Unfortunately as good as this country has it we still have many people that don't want to live anymore. This is not a good way going about it.
__________________
Daniel
vztrt is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 16-07-2015, 01:52 PM   #14
poppa smurf
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
poppa smurf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: outback S.A...hiding in a workshop
Posts: 3,513
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

had one use me and the mack as an exit from earthly bounds a long time ago, ended my trucking part of life.

but we have since had some unexplained close calls due to oncoming vehicles lately, I hope this was a suicide attempt and not some new way to get your rocks off.

not his first time though ......he was done for manslaughter not that long ago.
__________________
---------------------------------------------------------------

G'day....I'm Dave, ...everyone calls me Poppa,..05.. B.A. Fairmont mark II...

may your day's be filled with smiles, your life be filled with love, may your children know nothing but happiness and joy, cherish the memory of those who strove before us for they cleared the way, spare a thought for those who serve we owe so much to so many, life and the freedom to enjoy it is a special gift that can be taken away far too soon!
poppa smurf is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 16-07-2015, 02:11 PM   #15
rst2000
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Riddells Creek
Posts: 1,382
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

Quote:
Originally Posted by poppa smurf View Post
not his first time though ......he was done for manslaughter not that long ago.
I think you are reading that incorrectly, as his charges have been amended from "manslaughter and upgraded to murder", you are insinuating a separate collision which isn't correct.
rst2000 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 16-07-2015, 02:45 PM   #16
poppa smurf
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
poppa smurf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: outback S.A...hiding in a workshop
Posts: 3,513
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

just reading what was written...."The man was previously charged with two counts of manslaughter in January this year"

doesn't say, nor do I, what it was for.......merely not his first time before the courts for a similar sentence, this one commuted to murder.
__________________
---------------------------------------------------------------

G'day....I'm Dave, ...everyone calls me Poppa,..05.. B.A. Fairmont mark II...

may your day's be filled with smiles, your life be filled with love, may your children know nothing but happiness and joy, cherish the memory of those who strove before us for they cleared the way, spare a thought for those who serve we owe so much to so many, life and the freedom to enjoy it is a special gift that can be taken away far too soon!
poppa smurf is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 16-07-2015, 03:04 PM   #17
rst2000
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Riddells Creek
Posts: 1,382
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

Quote:
Originally Posted by poppa smurf View Post
just reading what was written...."The man was previously charged with two counts of manslaughter in January this year"

doesn't say, nor do I, what it was for.......merely not his first time before the courts for a similar sentence, this one commuted to murder.
so you didn't say this in your op, you are insinuating previous incidences.

Quote:
Originally Posted by poppa smurf View Post
what would drive a feller to do this not once but on numerous occasions.


Look here :
https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-poli...aded-to-murder

Last edited by rst2000; 16-07-2015 at 03:12 PM.
rst2000 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 16-07-2015, 03:06 PM   #18
poppa smurf
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
poppa smurf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: outback S.A...hiding in a workshop
Posts: 3,513
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

obviously he has been before the courts on a similar charge before.......why is still open to conjecture
__________________
---------------------------------------------------------------

G'day....I'm Dave, ...everyone calls me Poppa,..05.. B.A. Fairmont mark II...

may your day's be filled with smiles, your life be filled with love, may your children know nothing but happiness and joy, cherish the memory of those who strove before us for they cleared the way, spare a thought for those who serve we owe so much to so many, life and the freedom to enjoy it is a special gift that can be taken away far too soon!
poppa smurf is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 16-07-2015, 03:10 PM   #19
xisled
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 3,338
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

The charges have been upgrade from manslaughter to murder.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-1...-crash/6619556

My guess and this is a very big guess, is that the driver was trying to take his own life.

Working in motor claims it was common for a claim to come across, that someone had attempted to harm them self in a car. Like drive into tree's, parked cars etc.
xisled is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 16-07-2015, 03:22 PM   #20
LG17
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
LG17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Taromeo
Posts: 10,589
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

Quote:
Originally Posted by rst2000 View Post
I think you are reading that incorrectly, as his charges have been amended from "manslaughter and upgraded to murder", you are insinuating a separate collision which isn't correct.

Reading the article again you may be right on that.
LG17 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 16-07-2015, 03:32 PM   #21
rst2000
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Riddells Creek
Posts: 1,382
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

Quote:
Originally Posted by poppa smurf View Post
why is still open to conjecture
because it relates to the ONE incidence...

Not as you have mentioned "to do this not once but on numerous occasions" is factually incorrect..

Last edited by rst2000; 16-07-2015 at 03:39 PM.
rst2000 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 16-07-2015, 03:35 PM   #22
buggerlugs
If it ain't broke........
Donating Member1
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Sunshine Coast Qld
Posts: 18,791
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

Nothing suprises anymore....................
http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/ou...-1227444051851
__________________
Visitors welcome
Relatives by appointment only
buggerlugs is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 16-07-2015, 03:38 PM   #23
vztrt
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
 
vztrt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: vztrt is one of the most consistent and respected contributors to AFF, I have found his contributions are most useful to discussion as well as answering members queries. 
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

Quote:
Originally Posted by buggerlugs View Post
Nothing suprises anymore....................
http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/ou...-1227444051851
This is the same country were they throw acid in a woman's face if she refuses to marry a guy.
__________________
Daniel
vztrt is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 16-07-2015, 03:41 PM   #24
scottyg938
Stock Boss
 
scottyg938's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Canberra
Posts: 568
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonz View Post
personally knowing one of the involved, he was quoted when the police arrived..." *******, cant even kill myself successfully"

Its a shame because now his family have to survive with him locked up and we pay for his hotel accomodation for the rest of his journey.

read the story and instantly thought it would be a suicide attempt, picked the biggest car there and drive straight for it.
very selfish way to try and go
__________________
03 BA XR8

Blueprint | Manual | Leather | Premium sound | Sunroof | Shockworks coilovers | TrueTrac + 3.73 Diff Gears
scottyg938 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 16-07-2015, 04:18 PM   #25
poppa smurf
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
poppa smurf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: outback S.A...hiding in a workshop
Posts: 3,513
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

Quote:
Originally Posted by rst2000 View Post
because it relates to the ONE incidence...

Not as you have mentioned "to do this not once but on numerous occasions" is factually incorrect..

argumentative today aren't we.......why (as in the question why) he did it is open to conjecture, you, as I, do not know whether his previous manslaughter charge is for a similar thing or not.....I'm unable to find anything about it.

I suspect it is simply because he was up for TWO manslaughter charges.

so FACTUALLY the assumption is correct the same as it may not be.......you don't know.......uh right back at ya!
__________________
---------------------------------------------------------------

G'day....I'm Dave, ...everyone calls me Poppa,..05.. B.A. Fairmont mark II...

may your day's be filled with smiles, your life be filled with love, may your children know nothing but happiness and joy, cherish the memory of those who strove before us for they cleared the way, spare a thought for those who serve we owe so much to so many, life and the freedom to enjoy it is a special gift that can be taken away far too soon!
poppa smurf is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 16-07-2015, 04:23 PM   #26
rst2000
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Riddells Creek
Posts: 1,382
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

Quote:
Originally Posted by poppa smurf View Post
argumentative today aren't we.......why (as in the question why) he did it is open to conjecture, you, as I, do not know whether his previous manslaughter charge is for a similar thing or not.....I'm unable to find anything about it.

I suspect it is simply because he was up for TWO manslaughter charges.

so FACTUALLY the assumption is correct the same as it may not be.......you don't know.......uh right back at ya!
pretty simple : Read and Comprehend.................

From the link i already posted for you :

Following an extensive investigation, a 36-year-old Whyalla man has now been charged with two counts of murder following a fatal crash at Middleback on December 29, last year.

Police will allege the accused, the driver of a Nissan station wagon, deliberately drove into the path of an oncoming vehicle on Lincoln Highway about 12.10am.

Two people in the other vehicle died at the scene and two others were seriously injured.

In January this year the man was previously charged with two counts of manslaughter. These charges have now been upgraded to murder.

The arrested man has also been charged with two counts of cause serious harm by dangerous driving, which relate to the two people that survived the crash.
rst2000 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 16-07-2015, 04:33 PM   #27
BENT_8
BLUE OVAL INC.
 
BENT_8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 8,728
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

It would appear that he was charged with manslaughter in January for killing the two people in an accident prior to the full investigation. Now that the full details are known it appears suicide was his intent and so the charges have been upgraded to murder as the act was premeditated, not an accident.
BENT_8 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
2 users like this post:
Old 16-07-2015, 04:36 PM   #28
rst2000
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Riddells Creek
Posts: 1,382
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

Quote:
Originally Posted by BENT_8 View Post
It would appear that he was charged with manslaughter in January for killing the two people in an accident prior to the full investigation. Now that the full details are known it appears suicide was his intent and so the charges have been upgraded to murder as the act was premeditated, not an accident.
rst2000 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 16-07-2015, 04:41 PM   #29
SSD-85
Donating Member
Donating Member1
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 5,142
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

You think he would get the hint the first time;

Try a different method of offing yourself.....
SSD-85 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 16-07-2015, 04:51 PM   #30
Tonz
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Pt Lincoln far side South Oz
Posts: 5,878
Default Re: murder charge for deliberate head on

As an aside to this and sorry if this offends, but I wonder at the number of single vehicle accidents around the country.
Are they really accidents or suiside?
Have to be accidents because police cannot record suiside when vehicles involved.
__________________
Dont p i s s off older people. At our age the term Life in Prison is not a deterrent
Tonz is online now   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Reply


Forum Jump


All times are GMT +11. The time now is 08:00 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Other than what is legally copyrighted by the respective owners, this site is copyright www.fordforums.com.au
Positive SSL