MOTOR GT-E vs Senator vs SRT8 300C

[mcnews]

I still reckon that from the seat the F6 would feel a lot more ferocious. There was not a huge difference between the old ones but the feel from the seat was world's apart. And I drive cars for that reason more than a stopwatch. Had the BF F6 two years and never been to the strip or timed a 0-100, killed the stock Brembo discs and a few tyres though at trackdays, LOL.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by ESP

Er Yes........quickest............not fastest......correct..........fingers were typing too quick.............or is that too fast.............

I guess without taking both the G6ET and the F6 around a track we'll never know if the track result would also be a bit of a surprise..........after all......everyone was so hell bent on the F6 doing so much better than anything else...........

The problem i have with this quest or focus for the quickest 1/4 times is are we overlooking the functionality of the vehicle as a touring/sports performance vehicle?
Are we inadvertently focusing on attributes that may improve 1/4 times at the detriment of the pure driving experience???
The cars tested in this test are luxury/sports where comfort and luxury is just as important and overall performance.. Where as GT/F6/Clubsport and GTS are more hard edged and circuit focused..??
Harder suspensions aid cornering and handling but can create standing start traction issues...
Maybe this is why the "softer" offerings 1/4 better??

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by flappist

So you are gloating that even the basic Ford G6ET and XR6T are quicker than the GT range?

Strange sort of statement for a known rabid V8 zealot..............

Not at all.......I think you've just caught yourself out and now you're sorry..............

Read my POST.............Yes..........READ it...........don't just imagine things or put words into people's mouths............as usual.............I stated that the fastest 6 is actually not even an FPV.

We all know that the current F6 is quicker than the current GT and hell even the G6ET is quicker...............Couldn't care less.........at least when you buy an FPV V8 you know its the quickest and best of the V8 bunch.

You however I think are miffed at the fact that the Luxo G6ET barge is actually just as quick and maybe quicker than the F6........and I think that makes the rabid F6 zealot that you are even more RABID.............Cheers

[HEMI POWER]

Originally Posted by ESP

Not at all.......I think you've just caught yourself out and now you're sorry..............

Read my POST.............Yes..........READ it...........don't just imagine things or put words into people's mouths............as usual.............I stated that the fastest 6 is actually not even an FPV.

We all know that the current F6 is quicker than the current GT and hell even the G6ET is quicker...............Couldn't care less.........at least when you buy an FPV V8 you know its the quickest and best of the V8 bunch.

You however I think are miffed at the fact that the Luxo G6ET barge is actually just as quick and maybe quicker than the F6........and I think that makes the rabid F6 zealot that you are even more RABID.............Cheers

ESP don't argue with the Flap man, he has owned and driven every car made since the horse and cart. :dr_Evil:

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by HEMI POWER

ESP don't argue with the Flap man, he has owned and driven every car made since the horse and cart. :dr_Evil:

And perhaps the horse as well................

[HEMI POWER]

Originally Posted by ESP

And perhaps the horse as well................

Only the pure breds though , every thing else wouldn't be worthy.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by HEMI POWER

ESP don't argue with the Flap man, he has owned and driven every car made since the horse and cart. :dr_Evil:

But i do agree with 4Vman on this it seems everyone is concentrating on the quickest car passed the traps (turning into the ppl that drive the other type of cars) and not realising that afterall there are corners built into our roads, so to have the fastest car passed the traps is purely bragging rights at best.

Yes there will be folks that buy their GT/F6 for that exact reason (fastest 1/4 time) and will mod to increase or lower so to say, then you have people like CDAA (Sorry mate only car i could think of) That is almost a perfect balence of a straight line car and a brilliant handler.
But for the most they will buy them and enjoy for what they are, a very accomplished grand tourer and good point to point weapon.
Those times are awesome for all 3 cars and we should be gratefull we have such great cars to compete against no matter the badge.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

The problem i have with this quest or focus for the quickest 1/4 times is are we overlooking the functionality of the vehicle as a touring/sports performance vehicle?
Are we inadvertently focusing on attributes that may improve 1/4 times at the detriment of the pure driving experience???
The cars tested in this test are luxury/sports where comfort and luxury is just as important and overall performance.. Where as GT/F6/Clubsport and GTS are more hard edged and circuit focused..??
Harder suspensions aid cornering and handling but can create standing start traction issues...
Maybe this is why the "softer" offerings 1/4 better??

You're spot on..........I don't disagree.....however my point would be that to really notice a major difference on the street where most FPV owners will spend 95% ??? of their time methinks you'd be hard pressed to notice a significant difference unless the car was driven at 10 tenths. Most people would be more akin to putting the boot in at the lights for a quick but safe getaway........In this regard.....it would be very difficult to separate them. Issue here is that the generic FORD product is no longer miles behind the FPV product as per the initial B series and Tickford type offerings. Sure the FPV cars are more hard edged in their intent, but the gap has closed considerably and you'd really need to think twice about which car you'd purchase between the F6 or the G6ET...........the choice would be more narrowed between style and aesthetics than pure performance like it has traditionally been.

Sure the F6 may be a better track tool.........maybe.......who knows.............but most people just won't get the chance to explore that side of the car on a reggular basis. PERFORMANCE in todays terms is more about street culture and day to day driving dynamics .........and I feel that the G6ET and Xr6T for that matter has closed this gap considerably..........realistically all the cars share the same chassis...there is no MAJOR difference in CHASSIS tuning so the major DYNAMIC character change is borne from slight suspension and tyre changes.

[DDXR6T]

Originally Posted by ea90gl

These things are so close, good to see the GT-E not being demolished like many of us probably thought it might have been.

The GT-E does however get demolished in the looks department, there is a fine line between being simple and bland. and the GT-E ticks every 'bland' box.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Dan635

The GT-E does however get demolished in the looks department, there is a fine line between being simple and bland. and the GT-E ticks every 'bland' box.

Thats the whole idea of the GT-E subtle, if you want in your face buy a GT.
The Senetor is the blandest of the lot IMHO

[Falc'man]

Good times there by all three cars. I wonder which won the comparo... being Motor they will give "performance" and outright acceleration times a preference to what these cars were intended for.

[Wretched]

Senator won outright and it deserved it.
While I prefer the look of the GT-E, the Senator was a better equipped piece of kit and that is what these cars about, equipment and performance.

[burnz]

as posted/asked earlier...
what do all the luxo's get on the weighbridge??
that str8 look's handy capped by weight.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by flappist

So the quickest V8 FPV is the one that does NOT have the stripes, decals, wings and panda eyes......

Ahhh Memories!... Them were the thingos that you soaked in a saucer of water and either ended up stuck to your finger or crooked as all hell on the wing of my Revell 1/72 scale Lancaster bomber!

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by charliewool

Ahhh Memories!... Them were the thingos that you soaked in a saucer of water and either ended up stuck to your finger or crooked as all hell on the wing of my Revell 1/72 scale Lancaster bomber!

that was always a problem but only on my Earnhart Chevy Lumina

[Charliewool]

Yep... I was going to say my "Ed (big daddy) Roth's" Beatnik Bandit, or Rat Fink.... But ole Flappys more a flyboy...

[DJM83]

I did build the odd spitfire or mustang, way off topic :

[DDXR6T]

Originally Posted by 51RTE

Thats the whole idea of the GT-E subtle, if you want in your face buy a GT.
The Senetor is the blandest of the lot IMHO

I just think the GTE screams G6ET all over. For 77k, id prefer a G6ET with 20k of mods.

[ea90gl]

These cars are fair porkers, heaviest of the lot was the SRT8 which tipped the scales at 1920Kg, GT-E 1896Kg and Senator at 1844Kg. another interesting fact, average consumption of GT-E was 15.8L/100km, both Senator and SRT-8 used 17.3L/100Km average. Obviously this makes sense but still worth mentioning

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by ESP

You're spot on..........I don't disagree.....however my point would be that to really notice a major difference on the street where most FPV owners will spend 95% ??? of their time methinks you'd be hard pressed to notice a significant difference unless the car was driven at 10 tenths. Most people would be more akin to putting the boot in at the lights for a quick but safe getaway........In this regard.....it would be very difficult to separate them. Issue here is that the generic FORD product is no longer miles behind the FPV product as per the initial B series and Tickford type offerings. Sure the FPV cars are more hard edged in their intent, but the gap has closed considerably and you'd really need to think twice about which car you'd purchase between the F6 or the G6ET...........the choice would be more narrowed between style and aesthetics than pure performance like it has traditionally been.

Sure the F6 may be a better track tool.........maybe.......who knows.............but most people just won't get the chance to explore that side of the car on a reggular basis. PERFORMANCE in todays terms is more about street culture and day to day driving dynamics .........and I feel that the G6ET and Xr6T for that matter has closed this gap considerably..........realistically all the cars share the same chassis...there is no MAJOR difference in CHASSIS tuning so the major DYNAMIC character change is borne from slight suspension and tyre changes.

You 4vman and some others put too much analysis paralsis to all this.
Its just general 1/4m times for average joe reader of the mags.
To them and us HSV have owned the times for years and good luck to them with cars that don't corner as good as Fords/functionality/luxury/sports etcetc blahblah ......
FYI a certain model by Tickford did beat the equivalent R8 in 2001 a smelly old Windsor looked down on T3 :
Finally after 6yrs of BOSS we are the closest it's ever been thank phucking
goodness !! and hoooray !
Not bringing the I6T into this because this thread was about luxo barge's.

Also I'm not looking to inspire any flaming or whatever I'm just tiring of the negative posts in many threads over FG especially from FPVBseries owners.
Get over it it's a great evolving shape but for certain stripe combos and previous model wheels done under a tight budget as we all know.
Sorry back on topic.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by charliewool

Ahhh Memories!... Them were the thingos that you soaked in a saucer of water and either ended up stuck to your finger or crooked as all hell on the wing of my Revell 1/72 scale Lancaster bomber!

Did the decals improve the performance of the Lancaster pr just make it look more powerful?

[SSbaby]

Excellent terminal speed from the GT! Now why would Ford do something as silly as kill the V8... fuel crisis or not? There'll always be the V8 fans and buyers alike... and it's only Ford and Holden that still make affordable V8s.

May they live forever!

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Dan635

I just think the GTE screams G6ET all over. For 77k, id prefer a G6ET with 20k of mods.

They look nothing alike IMHO, GT-E has SFA chrome and thats a major factor when viewing from the front. But each to their own in that regard.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver

FYI a certain model by Tickford did beat the equivalent R8 in 2001 a smelly old Windsor looked down on T3

How dare you mention that in here Maurie, we are frowned upon dont you know that.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by SSbaby

Excellent terminal speed from the GT! Now why would Ford do something as silly as kill the V8... fuel crisis or not? There'll always be the V8 fans and buyers alike... and it's only Ford and Holden that still make affordable V8s.

May they live forever!

Ford, FPV, Holden and HSV will continue to make and sell V8s while it is profitable to do so.
This means that we have to keep buying them because if we don't then they will make something else or just close down.

So if you have always wanted a V8 or are driving one that is more than 3 years old, go out and grab a nice shiny new one and help ensure the future of V8s.

[rapom1]

Gees, wouldnt mind the Senator with the SRT engine jammed between its chassis rails. That 6.1 Hemi is a masterpiece, and clearly the best of the 3 tested, unfortunatley the 300C platform is about 5years old now and a bit off the pace compared with the newer GM and Ford products.

And when are MOTOR going to learn about V8's? they seem to repeatedly refer to the LS2 as being the Holden SS, Calais etc engine now (it actually has the even better L98), and stated in the article that the SRT engine was made (heads and block) from recycled coke cans like the LS3.

[mcnews]

That motor does go hard. Chrysler always made the best and strongest V8s so it would be interesting to see if these newer ones are as strong as the old ones, can't see it really in these days of cost cutting though.

[rapom1]

Originally Posted by mcnews

That motor does go hard. Chrysler always made the best and strongest V8s so it would be interesting to see if these newer ones are as strong as the old ones, can't see it really in these days of cost cutting though.

If you do a Google search and have a look at a few photos and read up on the insides of the 6.1 Hemi you'll soon realise there's no cost cutting in there (though agreed, Chrysler are generally as bad at cost cutting these days as GM and Ford). Special attention has been paid to the 6.1. Its not just a std 5.7 Hemi with a bit more comp and cam.

The 6.1 Hemi is stronger and more durable than the original Hemis.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by vanman_75

starting to look like the softer suspension is helping getting times down , ala g6e

Doesn't FPV have exactly the same suspension tune across the whole GT range. Due to cost cutting AFAIK they did just one setup for all of them?

[SSbaby]

Given the GT-E did a 13.4s time under those ambient conditions, I'd hazard a guess and opine the F6 would have cracked the 12s mark under the same conditions... maybe even the XR6T, too.

[mik]

with those performance figures, weight`s and economy and given the the boss is 11% smaller in engine size you would have to give the Boss motor its due`s, it would be interesting see the boss developed further , even things up for a start, bring out the 6+ litre boss.