Holden Bashing!

[290v]

24 or eight hundred and eighty eight

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Toyota > Ford/holden

You, my friend, are going to hell.

Regarding Holden bashing, the one-eyed among us will always bag out the other team. Personally I don't have a problem with Holden, I own one.

[MITCHAY]

I haven't been to the Holden forums so I have no basis for comparison but there seems to be a lot of whinging going on here to be honest. The 888 story just takes the cake.

[GTENVY]

look at the banter in other sports, I think you'll find we're just as bad as any other. Personally I think they deserve it. The ignorance and arrogance that most pro Holden people display is often blind. I have only one mate who is pro Holden (prefers his oloder cars, has an LC GTR Torana) that has a bit of a joke here and there but knows a good car (and bad) when he sees one.

[GTENVY]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

I haven't been to the Holden forums so I have no basis for comparison but there seems to be a lot of whinging going on here to be honest. The 888 story just takes the cake.

Go to LS1.com and streetcommodores.com.au its worse than you think.

[PepeLePew]

With the increasing affordability of these cars, ls1.com.au and others have changed somewhat.....and AFF isnt excepted.

There is something to being one eyed, and thats fine, but blind is another.

A good set of mods help, and do

If you dont like what you read, give a balanced reply, or simply ignore it. Easy. Forums are all about diversity. The report button handles the rest.

[GT290]

Originally Posted by PepeLePew

With the increasing affordability of these cars, ls1.com.au and others have changed somewhat.....and AFF isnt excepted.

There is something to being one eyed, and thats fine, but blind is another.

A good set of mods help, and do

If you dont like what you read, give a balanced reply, or simply ignore it. Easy. Forums are all about diversity. The report button handles the rest.

Well said PepeLePew, Some comments like"who cares" me, well they care enough to read all of this and then make negative on the fence comment. I wonder about them and why they even bother. People are entitled to there say either way.

[Falc'man]

Can someone define what "bashing" is?

A little banter?

Ridicule?

Always retorting to negativity?

What is "bashing"?


Baring in mind, as others have pointed out, this is a Ford Forum, it's kind of expected. Everything is normal here, as far as I care. Sure, the latest news has stirred the pot a little, but again, isn't that expected especially when there's a lot of "unknowns" thrown into the mix, causing many an argument.

I think it does more good than harm for the simple reason that it's stirring the emotions; take that away and we'll end up as boring as the proverbial Volvo-driving/Prius-loving/cardigan-wearing/lawnbowls-addict.

Keep the biff going I say and enough of this limp-wristedness.

[Thankfull]

Originally Posted by Teflon Turbo

Since the defection of T8 to Holden I have noticed a heck of alot of Holden Bashing.

Like a Lench Mob on the loose and on the prowl, searching, for a thread (and there are lots) to lay the boot into the arch rival.

I personaly don't care and don't really have an issue.

I visit a few car forums from time to time including Holden ones too and I see them saying the same thing but for no reason really, just mindless and senseless dribble.

So the question beckons, is there a slight chance we are getting as bad as the Holden bogans?

out:

Its hard to say...when I was a teenager growing up....you always get that first close up encounter with a V8 muscle car...for me that happened with a track red GTHO Phase III.

It was a well known fact of life back then that Holden backed down in V8 form altogether at the race track in the face of the GTHOs.

When you had to race what you sold off the Show room floor....Holden backed down in V8 form altogether at the race track.

Fact of Life, not Holden bashing.

[blownv8au]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

Can someone define what "bashing" is?

A little banter?

Ridicule?

Always retorting to negativity?

What is "bashing"?


Baring in mind, as others have pointed out, this is a Ford Forum, it's kind of expected. Everything is normal here, as far as I care. Sure, the latest news has stirred the pot a little, but again, isn't that expected especially when there's a lot of "unknowns" thrown into the mix, causing many an argument.

I think it does more good than harm for the simple reason that it's stirring the emotions; take that away and we'll end up as boring as the proverbial Volvo-driving/Prius-loving/cardigan-wearing/lawnbowls-addict.

Keep the biff going I say and enough of this limp-wristedness.

well said, i thought being a ford fourm it would be acceptable to bag out the competition every now and then. i can appreciate a nice car but i've always copped s#*t about being ford man so i don't mind given it back sometimes to. and if people were going to buy a car and don't want a ford i'd rather they bought a holden than anything else, just my opinion.

[Peter B - CV8]

Originally Posted by Thankfull

Its hard to say...when I was a teenager growing up....you always get that first close up encounter with a V8 muscle car...for me that happened with a track red GTHO Phase III.

It was a well known fact of life back then that Holden backed down in V8 form altogether at the race track in the face of the GTHOs.

When you had to race what you sold off the Show room floor....Holden backed down in V8 form altogether at the race track.

Fact of Life, not Holden bashing.

I remember the 70's. Queuing up for petrol because of the oil crisis etc. Holden decided to try a smaller nimble car for Bathurst & it worked pretty well.
I was just looking at the historical results for Bathurst ;
1970 Ford Falcon Phase 1 (race time 6hrs 32mins)
1971 Ford Falcon Phase 2 (race time 6hrs 9 mins)
1972 Holden Torana XU1 (race time 6hrs flat)
What surprised me was that there was no Phase 3 winner at Bathurst. That can't be right can it ???

[ED Classic]

Originally Posted by uranium_death

I personally do not give a crap if 888 has gone to Holden.
REality is that many people would not even be aware of V8SC results, and I question whether the results on the track have any significant bearing on sales anymore.

Also, I question whether drivers race for the badge, or themselves.

If 888 think they'll be better off by switching camps, then best wishes to them. Life goes on.

Judging by the 3 days of crowd on this weekends V8's you question whether its a sport that people want to pay to go and see anymore. Sundays was pretty good crowd except more than half are corporotes, teams and car clubs and handouts which is sad.

[fordOwner]

Ever since I heard Holden and Ford swap cars for test driving (with the story that Holden fixed a fuel surge problem in an FG test car before returning it)and the racing teams use the same racing componants ive lost all intrest in firing up over the ford/holden debate.
Its like these holden fans think that if the Holden factory guys ever crossed paths with the Ford Factory guys then there would be a huge blood splatterd brawl.

[Kingsley]

Banter one way or another will alway's exsist.
I'm not worried with 888 jumping camps. With the sledging between 888 and HRT starting already, Holden may have wished they left 888 and it's antic's at Ford by this time next year.

[fordOwner]

And in regards to the Vodafone team when i heard that Ford was not helping out hence the Hogstar grill badge I thought to my self "There going to Holden soon" and its happend! - unfortunatly this is huge argument ammo for Holden fans. could be a bit of a wake upcall for Ford maybe?
Bantering will always happen yes. And its good for the products, economy, and all that stuff due to the loyalty.

[Wally]

Originally Posted by fordOwner

...Bantering will always happen yes. And its good for the products, economy, and all that stuff due to the loyalty.

Possibly, but it can also turn prospective buyers away who would rather not be associated with a rabid tribal niche. Marketers spend a lot of time dislocating and differentiating products to find new audiences, even if it's contiguous with the family of offerings.

[greenfoam]

Originally Posted by Peter B - CV8

I remember the 70's. Queuing up for petrol because of the oil crisis etc. Holden decided to try a smaller nimble car for Bathurst & it worked pretty well.
I was just looking at the historical results for Bathurst ;
1970 Ford Falcon Phase 1 (race time 6hrs 32mins)
1971 Ford Falcon Phase 2 (race time 6hrs 9 mins)
1972 Holden Torana XU1 (race time 6hrs flat)
What surprised me was that there was no Phase 3 winner at Bathurst. That can't be right can it ???

The 1971 race was a Phase 3, Ford one again in 73 when Brocks XU1 ran out of fuel while miles in front

[Peter B - CV8]

Originally Posted by greenfoam

The 1971 race was a Phase 3, Ford one again in 73 when Brocks XU1 ran out of fuel while miles in front

That sounds right for 1971 - but when I googled 'Bathurst Car Race History" it showed a Phase 2 having won in 1971 ?????

[uranium_death]

Originally Posted by ED Classic

Judging by the 3 days of crowd on this weekends V8's you question whether its a sport that people want to pay to go and see anymore. Sundays was pretty good crowd except more than half are corporotes, teams and car clubs and handouts which is sad.

I never questioned people's passion or the crowds. I believe you have misinterpreted my post.

I questioned the general public's interest, and whether the sport still promotes new car sales on a large scale. For that reason, 888s move to Holden should not be taken so much to heart, for I do not think the implications will be all that significant.

I never questioned the sport itself.

The point of my post was the fact that it is simply a business, and 888 are welcome to do whatever they believe will help them achieve their goals better.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by greenfoam

The 1971 race was a Phase 3, Ford one again in 73 when Brocks XU1 ran out of fuel while miles in front

Yes.. 1971 was the Phase 3's win, it was also the last year of full showroom stock racing before improved production came in for 1972.
Brock won in 72.. but in the same way Moffat was miles in front but handed over the lead to Brock when he crashed the Phase 3 when it rained....

[ltd]

Originally Posted by uranium_death

I never questioned people's passion or the crowds. I believe you have misinterpreted my post.

I questioned the general public's interest, and whether the sport still promotes new car sales on a large scale. For that reason, 888s move to Holden should not be taken so much to heart, for I do not think the implications will be all that significant.

I never questioned the sport itself.

The point of my post was the fact that it is simply a business, and 888 are welcome to do whatever they believe will help them achieve their goals better.

Seriously though, next year there is only going to be 8 falcons out of the whole field. Pretty pathetic and I can see why people are getting upset.

[ED Classic]

Originally Posted by uranium_death

I never questioned people's passion or the crowds. I believe you have misinterpreted my post.

I questioned the general public's interest, and whether the sport still promotes new car sales on a large scale. For that reason, 888s move to Holden should not be taken so much to heart, for I do not think the implications will be all that significant.

I never questioned the sport itself.

The point of my post was the fact that it is simply a business, and 888 are welcome to do whatever they believe will help them achieve their goals better.

I never said you questioned crowds did I???? You questioned the general publics interest and whether the sport promotes new cars on a large scale (Of which You can only ever guess or question and you me Ford and Holden will never know to what exact extent) and then I said or if not meant by my post was that the less (declining) interest/attendaces can only have a negative effect and even much more so next year with 8 cars (only) on the grid. Hope I made it clearer for you.

[uranium_death]

Originally Posted by ED Classic

I never said you questioned crowds did I???? You questioned the general publics interest and whether the sport promotes new cars on a large scale (Of which You can only ever guess or question and you me Ford and Holden will never know to what exact extent) and then I said or if not meant by my post was that the less (declining) interest/attendaces can only have a negative effect and even much more so next year with 8 cars (only) on the grid. Hope I made it clearer for you.

I still fail to see the correlation.

Originally Posted by ED Classic

Judging by the 3 days of crowd on this weekends V8's you question whether its a sport that people want to pay to go and see anymore.

The people that will pay to watch a match are mostly people interested in the sport closely. I never questioned people wanting to go and pay. You will always have your paying fans.

However, I was talking about the public in general...

Compare AFL to V8SCs. People who know nothing about football and do not follow a team will sometimes still discuss results etc. Happens all the time when I'm in class or playing tennis...
I never hear anybody talk about V8s in the same manner.

Most people you talk to on the street would not know who is leading the V8s, who drives what car etc.

That was the basis of my argument

Therefore, I don't see the results on the track as being all that crucial to either company. Ford have been very strong in the V8s results-wise, but Holden still sells better.

Toyota don't have a big presence in Australian motorsport do they? They outsell everybody else though...