VW Dieselgate

[EBSXR6]

VW fined $125 Million by Federal Court, this is in relation to the ACCC action. VW have already agreed to pay $ 127 in the civil class action.

Also VW being taken to court by the one of the Australian Financial regulators over for allegedly breaching responsible lending laws in writing car loans.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by EBSXR6

VW fined $125 Million by Federal Court, this is in relation to the ACCC action. VW have already agreed to pay $ 127 in the civil class action.

Also VW being taken to court by the one of the Australian Financial regulators over for allegedly breaching responsible lending laws in writing car loans.

Could be a Billion $ fine I just heard on the radio....

[mick taylor]

Hang on ! I think that the law is not looking at the reality or emissions here and this is truly what counts, it's foundations are about pollution that is to be the truly regard here, the rest of it is just legality law spin that gets off the subject.
The foundation of reducing pollution over all should be what is at hand.
The standards are another thing again, that can be looked into and debated as well because now we have come to the point of a impasse.
Over all VW may be more advanced in pollution overall, that the standards have to catch up with them. I am not saying that they were but it could maybe.

I did not know that our ADR law was up to the standards of Europe in the first place. I think that the diesels pass regardless here. I maybe wrong.

I for one claim that petrol cars in Australia don't truly pass the standards of what is deemed to be an efficiency test.

If a car is most efficient running on 95 octane and you run 91 octane you have just reduced it's efficiency, their by creating more pollution than it should over all and the wast of fuel is a reality in modern day age, that is getting stricter on the depth in reality's of pollution.
When ADR27A came out this had noting to do with the extra fuel that such cars used, as such was not the subject of the laws, it was to reduce X Y and Z and as to using much more fuel had nothing to do with it at all. but now this is being taken into consideration as well.

People asked back in 1976 how can the new ADR27A truly reduce pollution when it used more fuel ? well most did not understand that it was only addressing pollution on a level that was being addressed at the time, not to mention that the test only works under certain conditions and that's why the HX Holden loss the 173 engine, because it could not comply under the conditions set, because she had to work harder than the big 202, but she passed in the lighter Torana. not to mention that the HX V8's 253 and 308 manuals did not have to use EGR only the automatic had to use that to pass the Laws.

And now we have many idiots who are intent to block the EGR off with modern day diesels. just as fools did back in the early days of ADR27A most fools did not know what they were truly doing and got no benefit out of doing such at all, in fact they blocked off the vacuum advance I seen that many a time good luck for fuel economy, I have seen that then you will go from 22mpg to 16 mpg on the highway.

[roKWiz]

Come on car companies fudging figures, I think VW were the only ones found out.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Come on car companies fudging figures, I think VW were the only ones found out.

CAT got Massive fines, for doing exactly the same thing with their Truck engines back in the mid '90s..

[deesun]

Originally Posted by EBSXR6

VW fined $125 Million by Federal Court, this is in relation to the ACCC action. VW have already agreed to pay $ 127 in the civil class action.

Also VW being taken to court by the one of the Australian Financial regulators over for allegedly breaching responsible lending laws in writing car loans.

Wasn't the original fine about 75M and the Federal Court said that's not enough and upped it to 125? VW have cried all the way along with no contrition so it serves them right.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Come on car companies fudging figures, I think VW were the only ones found out.

Highly unlikely. VW deliberately cheated the system. They all knew what they were doing, cause it was coming from the very top. They did what they were told to do to cheat the tests. No other company has ever deliberately chosen to cheat. Maybe there were times when it happened through testing error. But not a deliberate decision from the very top to cheat emissions testing.

Thats what makes vw’s efforts so appalling. They knew what they were doing was wrong, but did it anyway.

I know ford audited and double checked all their emissions tests to ensure they were 100% compliant after the dieselgate affair. To make sure they were 100% legal. They found no issues.

[5thFordWA]

Who gets the $120 million, when no-one in Australia has actually suffered any loss?

[mick taylor]

Far as I know they still exceeded the previous test, maybe VW was just trying to save the durability or life of the engines in this.

I can't see why they would just cheat.

But if one listen to the commotion one would think that such a engine was polluting like a 1960's tractor.

As to diesel in Europe I believe they have 2 types, one is for modern diesel cars ect and other for older diesels, and only use the modern diesel fuel that cost more and keeps the EGR ect cleaner, VW may have to change it's servicing adding more to the cost of maintaining this ?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by mick taylor

Far as I know they still exceeded the previous test, maybe VW was just trying to save the durability or life of the engines in this.

I can't see why they would just cheat.

But if one listen to the commotion one would think that such a engine was polluting like a 1960's tractor.

As to diesel in Europe I believe they have 2 types, one is for modern diesel cars ect and other for older diesels, and only use the modern diesel fuel that cost more and keeps the EGR ect cleaner, VW may have to change it's servicing adding more to the cost of maintaining this ?

Came down to cost savings. Having the cheat mode meant they could run without expensive exhaust treatment like urea, and they could focus on fuel economy, and not worry what was coming out the exhaust. Probably saved a heap of money in r&d costs too.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Car companies pay tens of millions of dollars each model to get their consumption and emissions down as low as possible. Light weight panels, alloy structural components, fancy transmissions with more gears, thinner oils, aerodynamics, tuning etc etc etc.

They bypassed all that come official emissions testing time by having an alternate tune that kicked in when the computer senses it was being tested.

If it knocked .2 or .3L per 100 off the official figure it placed them at a great financial advantage.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by 5thFordWA

Who gets the $120 million, when no-one in Australia has actually suffered any loss?

I thought it did also effect Aussie cars?

Wasn't there a payout made to each owner to compensate them for the difference in consumption? Around $1300 each or there abouts?

Or was that in the US?

[Sprintey]

The gassed monkeys - never forget

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world...sel-fumes.html

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

I thought it did also effect Aussie cars?

Wasn't there a payout made to each owner to compensate them for the difference in consumption? Around $1300 each or there abouts?

Or was that in the US?

not just consumption but more importantly resale..

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

The gassed monkeys - never forget

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world...sel-fumes.html

Germans have to gas something, it's their DNA..

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

I thought it did also effect Aussie cars?

Wasn't there a payout made to each owner to compensate them for the difference in consumption? Around $1300 each or there abouts?

Or was that in the US?

Owners wont get anything from this fine as it will go in government revenue.