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Here's Car Expert:
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...to-die-in-2023 Gotta say I agree with most of what they've said. Things they mention, have been mentioned in these forums - like every car being black/grey/silver/white, the increasing costs. Further, we've discussed all the mental chimes, annoyingly menu driven, to be turned off. They also mention poorly calibrated safety software - things I've asked some of you here about. As I don't have discus, I'll rant here. Our recent inspection of Suby Outback to replace our Ford Territory saw some of these issues come up. The car was a beauty. The deal killer, for me, is that if I spend all that money, will I be drawn into an insanity of rage continually having to find the sub-menu that turns off the annoying features each time I get in the car? Dare to imagine a world with a simple toggle button, once pressed, leaves the feature off.
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FFS leave me alone and stop distracting me while I'm driving.
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Opening the glove box with a button on a screen.
I know most people say “opening this glovebox with a mechanical button or handle on the glovebox itself is too basic, I wish it was more complicated and prone to failure” but I still think it shouldn’t be a thing |
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HEY LOOK APPLE CAR PLAY/ANDROID AUTO! You've received an SMS, do you want to look at it? says SYNC - Sure! Big *** portrait screen in the centre of the dash which kinda looks like a phone but on a much larger scale. HVAC controls as touch screen buttons on the big *** screen in the centre of the dash. |
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Franco did you know with Apple car play it will read the texts by voice and also send by voice?
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Limiting access to factory workshop manuals etc and trying to limit repairer and servicing to certified service centers and outlawing DIY repairs and servicing.
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Supplying jacks and tyre changing stuff in the boot that can’t actually do the job.
Here’s looking at you Ford. |
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This was put on the radar by Ricky Muir, unfortunately it took way too long to get in front of parliament because he got iced in the double dissolution election yonks ago, but we're here now. Of course it excludes the important vehicles ![]() |
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Yes, this is a reason why an upgrade to new might not be as appealing as an upgrade to older like a BF, in good condition. It sounds mad.
In other news, we got a holiday drive in my BIL's 1965 Valiant, with my young one taking the wheel. It started after not having been started for weeks, the push button auto was novel (as was the star trek style chrome lever, pull down to put in park) and it drove nicely! The thing that most impressed was the bonnet raising mechanism. Torsion bar of some kind? Two opposed bars placed across the bonnet line, up near the firewall, in a twisting L shape, with a greased roller. At any rate, it's 50+ years old, hardly any maintenance, and it leaves all the replacement gas struts of today for dead. I know which system will still be working in 2072.
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I'm more surprised why manufactures don't bother selling their hybrids here since there is a market, just look at Toyota. People even import Toyota hybrids despite Toyota selling them. Plenty of Honda hybrids imported but Honda Aus acts like they don't even exist. Nissan, seen a few eNotes around (I know not hybrid in the general sense but close enough).
If we're going to become a dumping ground and the rest of the world is moving to Battery Electric can we at least be a hybrid dumping ground? :P One thing that totally irked me this year is Ford stopped selling the Focus so some genius removed all the Online Owner Manuals, you guessed it, they don't offer a downloadable PDF anymore. To access it you need to go to the Motorcraft Service website as the Ford Australia one doesn't have it anymore, bonkers.
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Subscriptions and the integration of buttons for basic operations into complicated menu options within the car's system.
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Something that needs to end are the horrendous looking wheels available now. Especially 4x4 wheels that insist on have fake bead lock bolts on them.
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All manufacturers offer what their university degree designers and engineers tell them we want, and get a nice pat on the back when they get lapped up by the masses, simple way to stop this crap is to stop buying them.
It should go back to the days of you buy a base model and add the extra's you want when you buy the car, and if they designed the car for this purpose it would be easy to deliver a car with the components missing and they were plug and play at the dealer level. Which brings me to my next gripe, VIN locked components, it just seems now you cant do anything without the need to program it, my Merc for instance, you cant change the gearbox, auto shifter, fuse boxes, radio, instrument cluster, any modules, headlights and there is heaps of other parts that are VIN locked to the car, Why? |
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Didnt know half these things/problems existed.
Why are we using a screen to open the glove box? |
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This reminds me, if possible hire before I buy, for a week or so to get a feel for what living with all the uninvited nanny would be like.
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The coming danger is subscriptions where cars are sold like phones - everything is built into it
but you’re required to pay monthly subscription to unlock features that are already installed. |
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Just cant see why this is necessary for any other components other than the BCM and ECU to be locked, it just makes it hard for a repairer as with the Merc you pretty much need the MB Star Xentry, for me to replace the radio in the Merc I have to plug it in and do a procedure so it can be refitted to another car, if you dont follow the procedure its a brick, I dont understand its obviously not a theft deterrent as the radio wont fit into anything else and its crap anyway. |
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https://www.gmtradeparts.com.au https://www.fordtradeclub.com.au Even if you just have COD accounts with your local dealers and you pay card over the phone it'll suddenly give you access to trade pricing on service items like filters, spark plugs, oil, wiper blades et al and information. Sure its only Ford and GM but they also sell batteries/service components for other makes and models under their Omnicraft/ACDelco brands. Quote:
Its to the point that the new legislation was way too late before the majority of the damage was done to the independents. |
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The problem with going to the Mercedes dealership to get modules programmed is they charge $300 per hour and nothing ever gets done in the hour ever, I have more success doing it myself at home in less time, I'm sure they throw the apprentice on most module coding to learn at your expense and when he runs out of time they give you a estimate of a couple more hours. Last edited by prktkljokr; 30-12-2022 at 04:31 PM. |
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The whole diagnostic scanner thing is a crap shoot, whether you got OEM tools or the aftermarket jobs, I had two Autel scanners, one cost $5000 and they wanted $2000/year for the updates and the thing didn't even work properly with VW or Hyundai/Kia, or do steering angle sensor resets on BF Falcons. We had the Mercedes STAR diagnostic scanner where I did my apprenticeship, our Sydney branch had it and they'd send it via couriers to the other interstate branches when we needed to use it ![]() |
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Having said that, it's all starting to change. Hyundai just released a hybrid Santa Fe with a Tucson coming in 23 and more and more after that. Haval is also offering hybrids. It will become more prominent in the next 18 months I feel. Quote:
In terms of safety mechanisms.. this is an odd thing to talk about. Perhaps the car enthusiasts mindset where we all think we know how to drive and don't need aids. For this reason my father in law doesn't drive anything newer than a 92 model car and would very unlikely buy anything new. But damned if you do, damned if you don't... my god cars that hit the market without every single safety feature and a 5 star ancap rating is seen as a death trap. Most cars in my opinion don't really require going in to screen menus to disable a feature, the buttons are generally on the dash or console, though I can't speak for many Fords, maybe they're different.
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I'm with him. Wind down windows, carby, comfy bench seat and no computer. bliss.
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It’s quintessentially the Modern Australia. Nobody wants to be seen as making an obviously “wrong” choice, so we get self-enforced conformity.
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